Chronologically?! Mmmm. Well, the first thing I remember was my father dragging me down the Boer War celebrations when I was about 5 or 6. He said he'd had some uncles in it, but I don't remember being very interested...

Flo Smith - Now and Then

Written and directed by Christopher Saul

Riverside Radio - 6.06.19
Christopher Saul and Ursula Mohan interviewed by Martin Smith and Joseph Sarrington Smith.

"A moving, humorous and compelling survival story... a fantastic performance from Ursula Mohan. A wonderful play with sound effects that draw you to another time and another place." Michelle Magorian (author of 'Goodnight Mr Tom')
"Funny, poignant, often both at once, Flo is both an engaging personal story and the best kind of history lesson." Harriett Gilbert (BBC R4 'A Good Read') 27.06.19

1971 - Nanny Smith outside Richie House with author and his son.

It was 1969. I was a drama student in my final year, casting around for a subject for my dissertation. I hit on the idea of interviewing and recording the reminiscences of Florence Smith, my paternal grandmother. "Nanny Smith" was happy to oblige and so, for several days in the Spring of 1969, I sat in her cosy living room at number 36 Richie House, Hazelville Road, North London, drinking copious amounts of tea and listening avidly while spool after spool of my tape recorder was filled with her recollections. Florence told me of her Victorian childhood, her marriage to a young man who was later seriously wounded in the First World War (my grandfather), her struggle to put food on the table for her hungry children in the 1930s, and her harrowing experiences of the London Blitz. For the times, it was a common enough story and yet, for all that, a unique one too, as unique as any human being's life.

I transcribed Florence's account, edited it and submitted it as my long overdue third year thesis. I gave it the title, Flo Smith - Now and Then. Three months later, I graduated from the Rose Bruford College of Speech and Drama and within weeks had obtained my first acting job at The Oxford Playhouse.

Flo Smith
1918 - Florence Smith wth her first born, Bill.

Years passed. I established myself as an actor, married, had children, got divorced, married again and had more children. When I last counted, we had ten grandchildren. The hustle and bustle of everyday existence and the demands of surviving in a challenging profession inevitably forced Flo Smith's story to the extremities of my consciousness. Eventually, I forgot all about it. Then, 'Nanny' died. It was 1989 and she was 96.

More years passed. In the course of moving house, Flo Smith - Now and Then came to light again. I re-read it, more from curiosity than anything else. The years that my Grandmother had described for me so long ago had receded further into the irretrievable past. The dissertation itself had passed into history and had become a piece of memorabilia, an historical fragment validating my own existence. I read it again and again over the following weeks, months, years and vowed to somehow salvage Flo Smith - Now and Then from the flux of time. I developed a growing conviction that Flo's story deserved to reach a wider audience. But how? As a radio programme perhaps? As a piece of reminiscence theatre? As a one woman show.

1st Reading
Ursula Mohan performs at the first public reading 30th April, 2017.

With this in mind, I searched for the original tape recordings Flo had made for me in 1969. Disaster! All of the recordings had been completely lost! I was in despair. Yet I still had the written testimony of my Grandmother's life, in which Florence's unique and distinctive voice had been captured.

Using the original transcripts, and working closely with Ursula Mohan, a first draft was formed. This was read for an invited audience of family and friends at Flo's daughter Dorothy's church - the Union Church, Crouch End, London, on the bank holiday weekend of April 30th, 2017.

The script continued to be worked on throughout summer 2017 and performances began the following year.

"Feisty, funny and frank. A working class London girl who has endured poverty, injustice, a troubled upbringing, love and loss, her reminisces intermingle with world events... it is this intimate biographical detail framed against the background politics that give her gossipy ramblings a historical importance and unique insightfulness." Gill Sutherland, Stratford Herald 1.03.18

Ursula Mohan performs 'Flo Smith - Now and Then'

Ursula Mohan

Ursula started her career aged 15 at Wimbledon Theatre before winning a scholarship to train at The Webber Douglas and she has been a working actress ever since! This February (2019), she appeared at The Vaults Festival in GIRLS, a new production which joins the award winning BOYS and will tour in various venues including the Latitude Festival.

Last year, she was Ellen in There or Here (Park Theatre) and before that, Lily in a tour of You Forgot the Mince at The Edinburgh Festival, in London, and inside several prisons! In 2016, she was a female King Lear (Tristan Bates Theatre) in a revival of the award winning and acclaimed 2014 production. Other recent work includes Hecuba (Scoop), Sarah in Horniman’s Choice (Finborough), Nancy in Elegies (Criterion), Mrs Goulding in The Veil (National Theatre) and Mrs Fox in Dads Army (UK Tour). Her many past theatre credits include Ala in Tango directed by Trevor Nunn and Peter Brook's US for the RSC, Emilia in Othello (Regent’s Park), Mitzi in A Murder is Announced (Vaudeville), Liz in Revenge (Royal Court), Lucretia The Cenci (Almeida), the title role in The Good Woman of Setzuan (Hampstead), Sandy Beige in Making Tracks (Greenwich - written and directed by Alan Ayckbourn) and in leading roles in most regional theatres.

Her many radio, film and television performances include most recently Doctors and - in the distant past - Joyce the cockney clippie in many episodes of On the Buses.

She lives in South London with her husband, theatre and opera director Ian Watt-Smith. Their daughter, Tiffany, an academic at University of London, has recently published her third book, Schadenfreude, and has reached well over a million viewers with her TED talk on emotions. Their son Tom, a documentary maker, recently wrote and directed Drowning in Plastics for the BBC. Ursula also has four wonderful grandchildren aged 5 and under!

Interview with Ursula for 'Love Camden'.

"Ursula Mohan, a well-known actress who has played everything from a female Lear to a 'hottie' in 'On the Buses' is at ease as Flo... entirely convincing... a spunky old dear who has seen it all, a performance definitely more than the sum of its parts." Gill Sutherland, Stratford Herald 1.03.18
Christopher Saul

Christopher Saul trained at The Rose Bruford College. Theatre productions include over 20 productions with The Royal Shakespeare Company including the recent production of Imperium at Stratford-upon-Avon and in the West End. Parts have ranged from Ebenezer Scrooge to King Lear. TV includes Emmerdale, Doctors, Dr Who, The Professionals, One Foot in the Grave and in 2 series of the BBC soap, Triangle. Films include Wilt and Sahara. Christopher is a Helen Hayes Award winner 2013 for his roles in The Shakespeare Globe's touring production of Hamlet.

'Florence 'Flo' Smith - Now and Then', the original transcript on which this show is based, is available as an ebook at Amazon.


"Incredibly vivid, and transports the audience magically back to those moments in time. Human and relatable." Gill Sutherland, Stratford Herald 1.03.18
"Not to be missed" Hugh Stephenson, British Journalist and Professor 28.06.19

Performance History

30 April 2017, Union Church, Crouch End, London (First Public Reading)
25 February 2018, The Bear Pit, Stratford upon Avon
8 April 2018 , Union Church, Crouch End, London
26 August 2018, Camden Festival, The Gatehouse, Highgate, London
16 September 2018, The Bear Pit, Stratford upon Avon

Schedule 2019

April 14th, Sunday, Thames Ditton, Vera Fletcher Hall
May 18th, Saturday, Cordes-Sur-Ciel, Friends of English Theatre
June 23rd, Sunday, Theatre Upstairs, Clapham Omnibus
Sept 1st, Sunday, Drayton Arms, Old Brompton Rd
Sept 2nd, Monday, Drayton Arms, Old Brompton Rd
Sept 15th, Sunday, The Tower Theatre, Stoke Newington

"Brilliant acting by Ursula Mohan who told the story of Flo's life in a captivating and engaging way. With great sensitivity she portrayed Flo's life of hardship and joy that spanned the 20th century and was lived with stoicism and inner strength. Poignant, interesting and enjoyable." Lonica Vanclay The Audience Club 2.09.19